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Post by Zabbey21 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:28 pm

OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Idea

- Run 1 Minor and 1 Major Race one night per week (i.e 1 race in support class as well as 1 race in the DTM)
- Series will run for 6-8 weeks on a yet undecided date (possibly a day alternate to Tuesday or Friday, unless Surfer or Recoil are keen to run this as part of their particular race nights)

The Cars

Competitors will have a choice between 4 DTM cars:

- 2004 Audi #8 Audi ABT TT-R
- 2011 Audi #(2, 3, 4, 5, 6) Audi A4 Touring Car
- 2008 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG C-Class Touring Car
- 2003 Opel #5 OPC TEAM PHOENIX Astra V8

Once more testing has been done, tunes will be put on my storefront and the cars will be put in the club garage for everyone to use and have a go in. The builds need to be followed exactly (the Vauxhall needs an engine swap for example).

The Tracks

Open to discussion:

Round 1:

Hockenheimring
- Qualifying: 4 Lap Qualifying on Hockenheim Full (DTM)
- Race 1: Hockenheim Full (DTM) - 10 Laps (15 minute race) - Lobby Points
- Race 2: Hockenheim Full (DTM) - 15 Laps (25 minute race with mandatory stop) - Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Nurburgring Grand Prix Circuit
- Qualifying: 3 Lap Qualifying on Nurburgring GP Full Circuit (DTM)
- Race 3: Nurburgring GP Full Circuit (DTM) - 10 Laps (15 minute race) - Lobby Points
- Race 4: Nurburgring GP Full Circuit (DTM) - 15 Laps (25-30 minute race with mandatory stop) - Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Round 2:

Sebring International Raceway
- Qualifying: 3 Lap Qualifying on Sebring Full Circuit (DTM)
- Race 1: Sebring Full Circuit (DTM) - 12 Laps (15 minute race) - Lobby Points
- Race 2: Sebring Full Circuit (DTM) - 16 Laps (25-30 minute race with mandatory stop) - Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Circuit de Catalunya
- Qualifying: 3 Lap Qualifying on Catalunya Grand Prix Circuit (DTM)
- Race 3: Catalunya Grand Prix Circuit (DTM) - 10 Laps (15 minute race) - Lobby Points
- Race 4: Catalunya Grand Prix Circuit (DTM) - 18 Laps (25-30 minute race with mandatory stop) Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Round 3:

Indianapolis Motor Speedway
- Qualifying: 4 Lap Qualifying on Indianapolis Grand Prix Circuit (DTM)
- Race 1: Indianapolis Grand Prix Circuit (DTM) - 10 laps (15 minute race) - Lobby Points
- Race 2: Indianapolis Grand Prix Circuit (DTM) - 21 laps (25-30 minute race with mandatory stop) Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Infineon Raceway
- Qualifying: 4 Lap Qualifying on Infineon Long Course (DTM)
- Race 3: Infineon Long Course (DTM) - 11 laps (15 minute race) - Random Grid
- Race 4: Infineon Long Course (DTM) - 19 laps (25-30 minute race with mandatory stop) Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Round 4:

Suzuka Circuit
- Qualifying: 4 Lap Qualifying on Suzuka Full Circuit (DTM)
- Race 1: Suzuka Full Circuit (DTM) - 7 laps (15 minute race) Lobby Points
- Race 2: Suzuka Full Circuit (DTM) - 14 Laps (25-30 minute race) Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Mugello Autodromo Internazionale
- Qualifying: 3 Lap Qualifying on Mugello Full Circuit (DTM)
- Race 3: Mugello Full Circuit (DTM) - 9 Laps (15 minute race) Lobby Points
- Race 4: Suzuka Full Circuit (DTM) - 15 Laps (25-30 minute race) Reverse Grid with 1 second roll-off

Round 5:

Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe
- Qualifying: 3 Laps Qualifying on Circuit de la Sarthe Full Circuit (DTM)
- Race 1: Circuit de la Sarth Full Circuit (DTM) - 15 laps (1+ hour minute endurance with mandatory stop)

Round 6:

Nurburgring Nordschleife
- Qualifying: 2 Laps Qualifying on Nurburgring Nordeschleife
- Race 2: Nordschleife Full Circuit (support) - 14 laps (1+ hour minute endurance with mandatory stop)

Tracks are open to suggestion and change. Feel free to post what tracks you would like to see in this series. It can be something different or it can be a tried and tested track.

For Whom?

This series can be entered by General Licence holders.

Points System

Points System will be developed once series is underway

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Feel free to post comments and questions below.

EDIT 1: Support Series will not be run in conjunction to focus on the DTM's. Support Series may be run later on.


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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Envy The Best on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:38 pm

The DTM BMW M3 is built to a different spec than the ones we have in game, which are the old spec. Even if the M3 was in the game, it wouldn't be fair to include it as it has far less downforce as per 2012 DTM rules.
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Zabbey21 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:41 pm

If it was in the game though, perhaps there would have been a way to build it to be at the same times of the older cars. That's just speculation though. I was unaware that there was a major rule change in DTM this year.
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Post by Envy The Best on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:53 pm

Zabbey21 wrote:If it was in the game though, perhaps there would have been a way to build it to be at the same times of the older cars. That's just speculation though. I was unaware that there was a major rule change in DTM this year.

There was, the new cars have significantly less aero attachments than the previous cars. Compare the rear bumpers of the 2011/12 Audi's.

2011


2012


And then the M3



You wouldn't be able to make them equal, they're inherently different simply because of the design. Can't change much in Forza. Hopefully the roster will be updated in Forza 5.
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Zabbey21 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:04 pm

I wasn't arguing with your statement, I just don't follow DTM much at all and didn't know there was a rule change. That is a pretty significant difference, I agree. Possibly around 40-50kg of downforce have probably been lost in the newer models which is a fair amount.
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by stikman on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:03 pm

Top shelf, lets take em for a bash after some hot lapping tonight Very Happy

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Post by Envy The Best on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Zabbey21 wrote:I wasn't arguing with your statement, I just don't follow DTM much at all and didn't know there was a rule change. That is a pretty significant difference, I agree. Possibly around 40-50kg of downforce have probably been lost in the newer models which is a fair amount.

....there was an argument? I'm just embolding a statement, and since you didn't seem to be clear on the differences between 2011 spec and 2012, i added pictures.

Because pictures are awesome.
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Zabbey21 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:56 pm

I didn't mean there was one, sorry, may have not written exactly what I meant back there. Cheers for clarifying, are you keen on giving these a go?
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Post by Envy The Best on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:18 pm

Maybe, burnt out a bit on Forza and i'm only slowly getting back into the groove.
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by sempeR on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:32 am

This looks cool
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Dektra on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:41 am

YEAH! Rebadged GT500's!!!
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Zabbey21 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:03 pm

No Dektra...just no. These are German and made by entirely different manufacturers.

Will be running test sessions throughout the week, new guys feel free to come in and join! Once you get the hang of driving them they're the easiest things you'll ever drive, what else can take probably 60% of the Nordschleife full throttle?
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Post by Dektra on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:05 pm

Zabbey21 wrote:what else can take probably 60% of the Nordschleife full throttle?

GT500's
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Post by Envy The Best on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:12 pm

No need to be bitter Dektra.
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Post by Dektra on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Envy The Best wrote:No need to be bitter Dektra.

Where's my layer group...
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Re: OZFM Tourenwagen Masters

Post by Goomf on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:57 pm

Hey Zab, very keen on this. I really like the idea having the smaller track versions for support races. Gonna mess the odd person up I reckon but that's all part of it. Pity the Bugatti cutdown of Circuit de la Sarthe isn't in it. Are you thinking of using the Old version for one of the races? And not that it has to make a difference but I think the Nurburgring race is actually run on the Short version.

I don't know if this would put people off but what about running the main races to official laps and possible pit windows? Looking at 2012 for example (LINK HERE), Hock ran at 40 & 42 laps and pit windows were Lap 10 - 30 & Lap 11 - 32. I guess a race like that would take approx 1hr 10min.

I'm guessing you lot have raced some DTM series before so I'm probably not offering any new info, but another few things (just in case) that I was looking into when I was going to put one togther:

Some other official tracks of old:
Silverstone Racing Circuit, Grand Prix Circuit
Mugello Autodromo Internazionale, Full Circuit
Suzuka Circuit, Full Circuit (the one that broke the series for a bit)

I understand they're heading to America next year but haven't found any official track listings.

Also, on a support scenario, nothing against cars you've chosen, but another idea if not already done before is racing cars of old as well or alternately. eg 1986 BMW M635CSÌ, especially given the '84 version was either the first winner and/or champion. I've also been told the 1991 BMW M3 and 1990 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II would be a good match up. Not sure what would have to be done to get them even if not already but I think they raced against each other in the past. I think the 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (or similar) and 1987 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 were in there as well.

Whatever you do, looking forward to it.


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Post by Sleuth 101 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:33 pm

Looks good and like the idea of extended races of 1 hr+ ish to include pit stops or even two at designated lap windows expecially for DTM's, as for car selections does it really matter what year the car is or its looks and dynamically this that, as long as they match up to be competative in game ie FM4 who really cares, I surely dont and think this series as a revised DTM's take off has potential.
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Post by Zabbey21 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:20 pm

Goomf wrote:Hey Zab, very keen on this. I really like the idea having the smaller track versions for support races. Gonna mess the odd person up I reckon but that's all part of it. Pity the Bugatti cutdown of Circuit de la Sarthe isn't in it. Are you thinking of using the Old version for one of the races? And not that it has to make a difference but I think the Nurburgring race is actually run on the Short version.

I don't know if this would put people off but what about running the main races to official laps and possible pit windows? Looking at 2012 for example (LINK HERE), Hock ran at 40 & 42 laps and pit windows were Lap 10 - 30 & Lap 11 - 32. I guess a race like that would take approx 1hr 10min.

I'm guessing you lot have raced some DTM series before so I'm probably not offering any new info, but another few things (just in case) that I was looking into when I was going to put one togther:

Some other official tracks of old:
Silverstone Racing Circuit, Grand Prix Circuit
Mugello Autodromo Internazionale, Full Circuit
Suzuka Circuit, Full Circuit (the one that broke the series for a bit)

I understand they're heading to America next year but haven't found any official track listings.

Also, on a support scenario, nothing against cars you've chosen, but another idea if not already done before is racing cars of old as well or alternately. eg 1986 BMW M635CSÌ, especially given the '84 version was either the first winner and/or champion. I've also been told the 1991 BMW M3 and 1990 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II would be a good match up. Not sure what would have to be done to get them even if not already but I think they raced against each other in the past. I think the 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (or similar) and 1987 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 were in there as well.

Whatever you do, looking forward to it.

Cheers for the ideas Goomf, always appreciate some good quality feedback and ideas mate Smile i'll break it down into a few parts

1. I would like to run the old version, as it would make drafting down that long straight really important and you could even team up with someone to run as a drafting pack to gain extra speed down the straight. But that hard corner after a long straight in a pack of 16 people seems like a bit of a worry Laughing I guess we can give it a go in some practice.

2. Running full length races as per real life may turn some people off, as 1 hour + races can really put pressure on people's concentration limits and this isn't intended to be the most super serious of serieses, but at the same time, it is a good idea and I can look into it.

3. Mentioning those tracks, I may collapse the first 6 rounds, and run the two enduros last, that way I can fit those tracks in because they're some pretty important and favourite tracks around these parts.

4. As for the support, the builds have already been done up for the support series and they all lap within very similar times as far as I am aware from my testing. Keep that idea though mate, you could run a 90s German Sports Car event on here if you felt like it Smile

OP will be updated with updated rounds and qualifying sessions added, please note the OP will be subject to change.

Also, I will need people to help me test/do some practice races in a group as I will be testing whether the tracks I've chosen will work with a full lobby and varying skill levels. So post up if you like what you see!
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