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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by OctarineDream on Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:43 pm

hahah - nice use of a QR ya bike-dork! Smile

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Post by RU four 86 on Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:30 pm

OctarineDream wrote:bike-dork!

thats not how ya say it in July!

"Le bike de dork"

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Post by iWolf on Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:21 am

Having the M$ wheel kick me back to menu while I was doing my best to delay PuttzNZ in the Carrera cup last week forced me to get to work and build a temporary stand for the GT2 wheel. The result is a bit rough, but it'll do for now.

I've been experimenting with it this week and clearly it'll take some time to get used to the differences in wheel layout, but most importantly to burn the new 3 pedal setup and driving technique into my memory in place of the old 2 pedal and thumb clutch. Will be sticking with the paddle shifters for now.

I've found the FF is VERY heavy if I use 100% in game and on the wheel. So am currently running 70% wheel/60% game with 420 degree rotation and linearity set to 0. And thinking I might still go lighter on FF.

I'm liking the feel of the brake pedal with the pressure soft and using ABS to provide some rumble before wheel lockup.

I'm still wrecking gearboxes from bad clutch/shift timing, but not as much as when I first started.

In game settings and deadzones:
wheel: inside = 0, outside = 100
accell & decell: in = 0, out = 95
brake: in = 0 out = 100
clutch: in = 0, out = 60
vibration = 80%
FF = 60%

@Dazza, seems you've done the most work so far.
What wheel and in game settings are you running now?

Any new findings from anyone else on changes to wheel/pedal setup?
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by RU four 86 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:55 pm

Last night wolf & I did a few laps, spent more time chatting about wheel setups that actual laps, lol.

I personally interested in what car tune setups guys have changed to suit the wheel, if any...

Next Thursday night were having another bash, so if any other GT2 wheel guys what to join in for a run and chat online, be there!

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Dazza4610 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:58 pm

The bigest change I have made to my tunes is the brake pressure.

I have turned this up by about 30%, so if I was using 100, now I use 130.

everything else is pretty much the same as far as car tunes go, mind you I am still off the pace a bit, and I am still playing.

I will try and write down some settings tonight. I have basically 2 wheel setups so far, 1 for Forza and 1 for Dirt 3.


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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by RU four 86 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:05 pm

Dazza4610 wrote:The bigest change I have made to my tunes is the brake pressure.

I have turned this up by about 30%, so if I was using 100, now I use 130.


Wow 30% a big jump. The brake pressure was something we were talking about last night, I think wolf raised his by 10%, I havent touched it yet, but was thinking about 10% too, but will give it ago

Thxs dazza

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Dazza4610 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:46 pm

My settings for Forza 3

Wheel
Sen - 540
FF - 100
Sho - 100
dri - OFF
Abs - 55
Lin - 40
dEA - 000
SPr - 0
dPr - 0

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Steering deadzone IN - 0 OUT - 100
Accel deadzone IN - 0 OUT - 90
Dec deadzone IN - 0 OUT - 80
Clutch deadzone IN - 10 OUT - 70
Handbrake deadzone IN - 80 OUT - 100
Vibration - 100
FF - 100


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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by iWolf on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:51 am

Thanks for the settings Dazza.

I tried your setup after Carrera cup last night and can see how its works for you.
I think the 100% FF feels ok due to the larger 540degree rotation and the linearity setting. Try 100% FF in wheel and game on 270 or 360 degrees with lin = 0 and its like lead.

The slower response would take a bit of getting used to.

More work to do, then practice, practice, practice. Wink
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Mitch on Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:12 am

God do i miss my fanatec!!!!

What does everyone else think of them? I thought that they were an exceptional piece of machinery....Did everyone option up the clubsport pedals?

I had FF and the vibration cranked up to 100% all the time (feeback setting on the game was also maxed....I loooove feedback!!)...Rotation varied - in most instances for production cars it was set at 210 and S and R-Class cars was just a touch slower @ 270.....Deadzone was 0% regardless.

I set all of my pedals with 0% in-deadzone, with 80% out-deadzone for accel and brake and a measly 20% out-deadzone for clutch (to avoid mis-shift from not stabbing the clutch enuf to engage a gear.) Brake vibration, like the wheel, was 100%.

What gearlever I used differed between production and S/R Class too - H-Pattern for production (where my rythym was slower and smoother) and sequential shifter for S/R Class (using H-pattern was just too slow). Only time I used the flappy paddles was on F1 - never used them on FM3.

hahaha driving 540d was very weird - even considering that our real-life cars have an approximate rotation of 740-plus!!

By the looks of things, there may have been a few extra software options/adjustment differences between my Turbo S and the GT2 that is used by most here...as "sPr" and "dPr" as mentioned in iWolfs quoted settings I cant remember being there....what do they stand for?! Hmmm im sure "Lin" wasnt there too (Linerarity).

But it is a huuuge reality check when switching to a fanatec wheel from a xbox one, and once you get the hang of it - the extra $600 for the fanatec is money well spent. Even up to the point of selling mine to Don, I was still unsure on for some vehicles on some tracks whether to use the clutch pedal or clutch button!! At one stage pending on the corner and the speed to which I approached that corner with - I left foot-braked to wash the speed off, then quickly shifted my left foot back onto the clutch and right foot back onto the brake to shift back down the gears (heel-toeing in the process). The reason being for such wierd footwork was because I was more confident left-foot braking than with my right foot, but I still wanted to use the clutch pedal and heel-toe doing so!

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by RU four 86 on Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:19 pm

extract from GT2 manual!


both the sPr and dPr setting, work for PS3, but do expect FM4 functionality!

considering that Fanatec have now built a "FM4 wheel" I also expect the Fm4 to have better controller functions for Fanatec wheels, possible firmware upgrade too

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by crimson eagle73 on Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:53 pm

Are the Turtle Beach headphones worth getting. Do they play well with the GT2? Thinking about getting the x11 ones as EB games has them on sale at the moment for $60

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by iWolf on Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:00 am

Couple of obs from some practice last night:

LIN - softens the FF around the straight ahead position, seems that its slowing the steering action which then quickens up as you turn the wheel further. I'm only using low settings 10 or 20.

I'm moving to lower sen settings I like the quicker wheel response.

I reduced outside clutch deadzone further, just feels better for me and I'm not breaking gearboxes as much. As Mitch mentioned above.

Turtle Beach X41s - not sure about chat quality in FM3. I had issues with other players chat sound quality in Carrera cup on Friday night. Party chat was fine on a previous night. Game sound is excellent. Can't comment in X11s.

I had my GT2 jump to game menu mid-lap last night, while doing some practice laps. Controller disconnected and I had to turn it off and back on to reconnect Evil or Very Mad No I didn't accidentally press any buttons.
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by RU four 86 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:04 am

Can only vouch for the X41's, they are brilliant.

They are wireless to the xbox so the sounds hasn't changed, I think the 11's are hard wired to the xbox.

As for the chat, which is via the GT2, I've found no difference in quality.

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Update: agree with wolf, but I've always found that party chat better than in game chat, im assuming that's nothing to do with the GT2 controller more Ms servers and game
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Dazza4610 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:17 am

iWolf wrote:
I had my GT2 jump to game menu mid-lap last night, while doing some practice laps. Controller disconnected and I had to turn it off and back on to reconnect Evil or Very Mad No I didn't accidentally press any buttons.

What xbox do you have? the old type, or the slim? I have read somewhere people having issues with the slim and the gt2.


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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by iWolf on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:35 am

Dazza4610 wrote:
iWolf wrote:
I had my GT2 jump to game menu mid-lap last night, while doing some practice laps. Controller disconnected and I had to turn it off and back on to reconnect Evil or Very Mad No I didn't accidentally press any buttons.

What xbox do you have? the old type, or the slim? I have read somewhere people having issues with the slim and the gt2.

Old style elite with 120GB drive.
Hoping it was a once off, but its got me a bit worried.
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Dazza4610 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:41 am

iWolf wrote:
Dazza4610 wrote:
iWolf wrote:
I had my GT2 jump to game menu mid-lap last night, while doing some practice laps. Controller disconnected and I had to turn it off and back on to reconnect Evil or Very Mad No I didn't accidentally press any buttons.

What xbox do you have? the old type, or the slim? I have read somewhere people having issues with the slim and the gt2.

Old style elite with 120GB drive.
Hoping it was a once off, but its got me a bit worried.

Same as me, hopefully a one off.


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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Mitch on Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:56 pm

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by RU four 86 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:06 pm

iWolf wrote:
Old style elite with 120GB drive.
Hoping it was a once off, but its got me a bit worried.

Were you not having the same problems before with the old ms wheel?

Maybe, it the old xbox losing the connection between the wheel, not the GT2 dropping out.

No real consolation, but a nex box is cheaper than anew wheel!

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Post by Mitch on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:31 pm

RU four 86 wrote:extract from GT2 manual!


both the sPr and dPr setting, work for PS3, but do expect FM4 functionality!

considering that Fanatec have now built a "FM4 wheel" I also expect the Fm4 to have better controller functions for Fanatec wheels, possible firmware upgrade too

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Ahh cheers for the extract - i getchya now.

That good too - what that essentially means that where you usually have to go into the settings of ur desired game to change the force feedback, fanatec have split the two properties that create "force feeback" and it now can be adjusted on the wheel......very clever!!
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by iWolf on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:02 am

RU four 86 wrote:
iWolf wrote:
Old style elite with 120GB drive.
Hoping it was a once off, but its got me a bit worried.

Were you not having the same problems before with the old ms wheel?

Maybe, it the old xbox losing the connection between the wheel, not the GT2 dropping out.

No real consolation, but a nex box is cheaper than anew wheel!

RU

Thats a point, I have occasionally had the same while using the M$ wheel. Never considered it possibly being the xbox - always blamed the wheel.

I've been thinking about a new slim 360 before FM4, but I'll have to check out the possible issue with the GT2 wheel that Dazza mentioned. Any more info on that Dazza?

In the meantime, I did another few more hours of practice and no more disconnect issues.

I also tried changing the brake pedal setup to see if I could take a bit of the travel out of the pedal. Did this by moving the pressure bar pivot up 1 position from the bottom. It made a huge difference to pedal travel and feel! Shocked
All pedal free play was gone and brake was very heavy and went from off to full on with about 10mm of travel. Not to my liking at all, so I changed it back to the original pos.

Edit: I'm thinking at some stage I might try a different length rod in the brake set up, like the guy suggested in the clubsport pedal tuning vid. Try and shorten pedal travel a little bit that way instead.
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Mitch on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:30 pm

I used my Turbo-S Wheel with the slim xbox and had no probs with any issues between the two....so if you have connection probs between old xbox and GT2, knowing that Fanatec stuff is quality gear - a slim xbox is a sound investment.

Not that it was an issue, once I loaded FM3, I had to restart the wheel so the gearbox and clutch would work....hence a few times there when we first go into a mp room, Im stuck on the grid going nowhere in the first race lol
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Post by RU four 86 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:44 pm

iWolf wrote:
I also tried changing the brake pedal setup to see if I could take a bit of the travel out of the pedal. Did this by moving the pressure bar pivot up 1 position from the bottom. It made a huge difference to pedal travel and feel! Shocked
All pedal free play was gone and brake was very heavy and went from off to full on with about 10mm of travel. Not to my liking at all, so I changed it back to the original pos.

might give it a go later,

I removed the space behind the Acc plate, so it sits further away than the brake pedal, so I could roll the foot easier back to the acc while braking. Ive found it easier to toe-n-heel.

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Post by iWolf on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:58 pm

RU four 86 wrote:I removed the space behind the Acc plate, so it sits further away than the brake pedal, so I could roll the foot easier back to the acc while braking. Ive found it easier to toe-heal.

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A miracle, I'm glad you're toe is getting better...
But how's changing the accelerator pedal done that? Rolling Eyes

RU, word of warning, after I made the change - pressing the brake pedal was like trying to turn a 53/11 from a standing start. No
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Post by RU four 86 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:26 pm

haha,

corrected!

53/11, no problems, I use those gears climbing affraid

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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by Dazza4610 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:46 pm

for the life of me, I can not find that stuff about the Slim Xbox and the GT2 connection problems... I must have been lying or something.

I have found problems reported with the PS3 USB dongle and connections dropping... That must have been what I saw, but who cares about PS3 anyway.


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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by iWolf on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:59 pm

No worries Dazza,

I've had a bit of a browse as well, couldn't find anything.

It'll only matter if its and ongoing problem and I'll hand it to Hess at Pagnian if that happens.
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Re: Fanatec Game Gear

Post by OctarineDream on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:48 pm

RU four 86 wrote:haha,

corrected!

53/11, no problems, I use those gears climbing affraid

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